SPN Abandon All Hope

[mf_luder_xf]

Ok, we'll get the whiny parts over first. And this isn't in depth.

1. I want more Crowley. I felt his scenes went a bit too fast. I'd like to see him again though I find it doubtful we will. (A demon truly on their side? That'd be amazing.)
2. Why would they burn the picture at the end? You just take it to remember each other by and then when they die you burn it? Was it meant to be the best version of a hunters burial they could perform or something? I thought that was a really poor decision.
3. Where was Castiel at the end? He was in the photo, he'd met the girls. He's a huge part of this and they can't bother to show him grieving/standing with them?
4. On that note, I'm getting really annoyed with the writer's poor use of Cas. The Lucifer/Castiel scenes were good but lacked so much. Lucifer really thinks, "hey they don't like you anymore, join my team" is going to work on Castiel? I wanted to see some real manipulation, something gut-punching. I also feel like they're deliberately keeping him and Dean apart. There's little of the care, the staring, the companionship of the first few eps of this season season, even, much less the intensity of last season. I'm probably being over sensitive but come on.
5. It's not just Dean/Cas, though. I'm upset at the Dean/Sam stuff, too. Where is the love? No last words? No, "I love you, bro" or something? I may be pissed at Heroes for fucking up Nathan and the show in general, but the Petrelli interaction has always been good. Nathan and Peter fighting the second half of third season but they make up at the end and TELL each other they love the other. I don't need sobbing. But some indication of fraternity would be nice.
6. I would have like to have seen Tessa. I also thought playing "O Death" at the end would have been PERFECT.

Good things:

1. I actually cried at the Ellen/Jo bit. I don't recall ever crying in regards to the show (fanfic sure, but not the show). So, A+ there. They did that mother daughter scene so well.
2. The Crowley/old man kiss! OMG I burst out laughing!! Even better? One of my roommates caught the first 10 minutes or so with me and her face was so shocked I laughed even harder. I mean, it's not what you expect and especially never having seen a minute of the show before? It was hilarious. Also, seriously, that scene was just win. Crowley has an attitude and the old man just...I cracked up. perfect opening.
3. Cas seeing said gay!kiss and saying "it's going down"? My mind went all sorts of hilarious and dirty places.
4. UNF UNF, Castiel. That scene with him and Meg? Brilliant. Misha, you are a GOD. I hurt for him, though losing his powers. I mean, if Castiel really would be Heaven's next opponent, they're not going to have much of a fight. How does Lucifer have all his powers when Cas doesn't? But whatever, can't dwell on that inconsistency. Point being, he was creative, human, and fucking hot. And the little bit with him holding up his finger to his lips? Also hot. The close ups of Misha's face? GOOD GOD. Seriously, I want to die of the hot.
5. The Colt NOT working? AWESOME. They're really up shit creek without a paddle now!
6. Lucifer shining through his vessel? Creepy but AWESOME.

And in other news, I TOTALLY FUCKING CALLED JO AND ELLEN. The instant they said two people would die I knew it would be them. And everyone else called the going-to-die kiss. Although, the skeazy last-night-on-earth-sex bit was hilariously awkward.

Best parts? Crowley and Castiel being a BAMF. I want MOAR. Fanfic, come on guys.

Next episode? As I said over in ONTD, it feels similar to SGA's "The Real World". NOT my favorite episode. This one probably won't have any Castiel, either.

Comments

[kimberlyfdr.livejournal.com]

No last words? No, "I love you, bro" or something?

That was the point, they're good. Dean and Sam know they love each other, so by not having to say it as their last words, they know it...and that's more powerful.

I actually cried at the Ellen/Jo bit.

I did, too :(

How does Lucifer have all his powers when Cas doesn't?

Because Lucifer's had millenia upon millenia to build up as a demonic force? Cas is a fallen angel and has not accepted heaven turning their back on him, nor has heaven quite given up on him completely yet either (in terms of God at least).

What I'm left with, aside from the fact that I'm even more sure now that Dean and Sam are gonna say yes, is that I'll be very interested to see if Lucifer did indeed raise Samael or if they'll go with another representation of Death. PLEASE BE SAMAEL! Having Lucifer and Samael on Earth at the same time? We're all screwed.

[mf_luder_xf]

That was the point, they're good. Dean and Sam know they love each other, so by not having to say it as their last words, they know it...and that's more powerful.

I guess. But it didn't come across that way. Considering Dean is still upset about Sam and Sam is emo about what he did, it felt incomplete. Poor execution, I guess.

You're right about Lucifer having his demon army...but Gabriel was stronger than Cas too and he's been gone from Heaven for far longer.

Ok, I'm confused. Death is Death in Revelations. What is Samael?

[kimberlyfdr.livejournal.com]

You're right about Lucifer having his demon army...but Gabriel was stronger than Cas too and he's been gone from Heaven for far longer.

And both of them are archangels, so...Cas is never going to be as strong as them, even if he stays in heaven.

k, I'm confused. Death is Death in Revelations. What is Samael?

There are a number of Angels of Death in religious mythology. Gabriel, Azrael (Sariel), and Michael are all good angels of death. Samael, however, is the big bad. He is a destroyer and a seducer (and some myths cast him as tempting Eve, even impregnating her with Cain). He's even, in some stories, the husband Lilith took when she left Adam. He's basically on par with Satan and a fallen angel himself (except he's still part of the heavenly host, so he's playing both sides). You basically never want Samael to show up and he would definitely be the one that Lucifer would raise if given the choice. Death and destruction...between the two of them they'll kill us all.

Lucifer and Samael are sometimes mistaken for the same entity, but really they're not. (I fully expect that Kripke is going to combine the Horseman Death and the Angel of Death since they were both mentioned by Bobby and Lucifer as being the same entity)

Kripke has already twisted the angel hierarchy, making Lucifer the younger brother when actually he's the first angel, so he's changing the mythology as he goes ;)